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West Apex Trail
Feb 11, 2026 @ 4:18pm (America/Vancouver)
Feb 11, 2026
mtb Mostly dry in the Nordic centre, just a couple of drainage crossings. A bit of route finding but not the worst. Watch out for cows at pasture. Variableview
West Apex Trail
Feb 11, 2026 @ 4:18pm (America/Vancouver)
Feb 11, 2026
mtb Nordic Center section was 90% dry, just a few wet drainage crossings. A bit of route finding but not the worst. Trail is somewhat punchy, lots of roots and rocks. Watch out for cows Variableview
Jodinge
Nov 28, 2025 @ 4:56pm (America/Vancouver)
Nov 28, 2025
mtb Lots of blow down on trail. Unridable. Need some nice Moto guys with saws to clear the trail! Dryview
Good, Bad, Ugly Connector
Sep 22, 2025 @ 7:00pm (America/Vancouver)
Sep 22, 2025
mtb Idealview
The Good, The Bad, And The Ugly
Sep 22, 2025 @ 6:59pm (America/Vancouver)
Sep 22, 2025
mtb Idealview
The Gauntlet
Aug 30, 2025 @ 4:24pm
Aug 30, 2025
mtb amazing trail. can be hard to find at points but we'll built, well thought out and extremely fun Idealview
Moby Dick
Aug 16, 2025 @ 4:33pm
Aug 16, 2025
mtb extremely fun Idealview
The Good, The Bad, And The Ugly
Aug 16, 2025 @ 4:33pm
Aug 16, 2025
mtb Idealview
Bronco Billy
Aug 16, 2025 @ 4:32pm
Aug 16, 2025
mtb amazing, some of the wood structures need some love. one of the most beautiful trails I've ridden Idealview
Apex Dh
Aug 16, 2025 @ 2:02pm
Aug 16, 2025
mtb non existent below bronco. Unknownview
Vista connector
Jul 15, 2025 @ 10:40am
Jul 15, 2025
ebike Dryview
Burn Perimeter Connector
Jul 15, 2025 @ 10:28am
Jul 15, 2025
ebike Dryview
Lake Connector trail w
Jan 1, 2025 @ 10:27am
Jan 1, 2025
snowshoe Snow Packedview
Snowflake Loop
Jan 1, 2025 @ 10:27am
Jan 1, 2025
snowshoe Snow Packedview
Sauna Vista Connector
Jan 1, 2025 @ 10:27am
Jan 1, 2025
snowshoe Snow Packedview
Isolation Ridge Loop
Nov 24, 2024 @ 1:01pm
Nov 24, 2024
snowshoe Good early season conditions Snow Packedview
Vista connector
Sep 1, 2024 @ 11:16am
Sep 1, 2024
ebike Idealview
Burn Perimeter Connector
Sep 1, 2024 @ 11:16am
Sep 1, 2024
ebike Idealview
Prometheus
Jun 15, 2024 @ 9:20am
Jun 15, 2024
hike A couple of downed trees across the trail Snow Cover Partialview
xx
Mar 24, 2024 @ 3:26pm
Mar 24, 2024
snowshoe Good condition firmness depends upon temperature Snow Packedview
Sauna Vista Connector
Mar 24, 2024 @ 11:14am
Mar 24, 2024
snowshoe Firmness of trail remains temperature dependent Snow Packedview
Perky Peaks Trail w
Mar 24, 2024 @ 11:14am
Mar 24, 2024
snowshoe Firmness of trail is temperature dependent Snow Packedview
Upper Cabin loop
Mar 24, 2024 @ 11:14am
Mar 24, 2024
snowshoe Firmness of trail is temperature dependent Snow Packedview
Burn Perimeter to Hut trail
Feb 26, 2024 @ 10:24am
Feb 26, 2024
snowshoe Snow Packedview
Keremeos Creek Canyon Loop
Feb 26, 2024 @ 10:24am
Feb 26, 2024
snowshoe Snow Packedview
Sauna Vista Connector
Dec 4, 2023 @ 10:57am
Dec 4, 2023
hike Could use more snow but not bad early season conditions Snow Packedview
Isolation Ridge Loop
Dec 4, 2023 @ 10:57am
Dec 4, 2023
hike Good early season conditions Snow Packedview
Pat’s Hut loop
Nov 19, 2023 @ 12:08pm
Nov 19, 2023
snowshoe Chainsaw work required through the Valley of Bowls section. Snow Cover Partialview
Shatford Forest Service Road short connector
Nov 19, 2023 @ 12:08pm
Nov 19, 2023
snowshoe Okay early season conditions Snow Cover Partialview
Isolation Ridge Loop
Nov 18, 2023 @ 11:04am
Nov 18, 2023
hike Not bad early season conditions Snow Packedview
Good, Bad, Ugly Connector
Aug 20, 2023 @ 5:37am
Aug 20, 2023
hike Dryview
Moby Dick
Jul 23, 2023 @ 10:47am
Jul 23, 2023
mtb broken support member on large wooden feature Dryview
Ok Vista Road
Jul 21, 2023 @ 10:08am
Jul 21, 2023
mtb Dryview
Snowflake Loop
Feb 20, 2023 @ 12:17pm
Feb 20, 2023
skixc grey day with at least 8 cm of new snow. Trees down across the trail have been cut out since my ski there so the trail is fine. Was a great day and great conditions. Beautiful seeing the snow hanging in the trees Idealview
Shatford Forest Service Road short connector
Jan 26, 2023 @ 10:51am
Jan 26, 2023
snowshoe No trees down Snow Packedview
Snowflake Loop
Jan 20, 2023 @ 12:22pm
Jan 20, 2023
skixc blue skies and a few cm of new powder. However Okanagan Vista and snowflake have a number of trees that have been blown down and block the trail. One can ski around but not the same. Skiied through the lakes to avoid the downed trees Variableview
Pat’s Hut loop
Nov 16, 2022 @ 11:16am
Nov 16, 2022
snowshoe Good early season conditions. The whole loop has not been set yet. From the hut down to the valley of bowls has not been set yet this year. Variableview
The Good, The Bad, And The Ugly
Oct 1, 2022 @ 11:15am
Oct 1, 2022
mtb Running so nicely Idealview
Bronco Billy
Sep 23, 2022 @ 2:31pm
Sep 23, 2022
mtb Dry and loose up top but gets loamy near the bottom. No deadfall and the ladder bridges are holding. A nice switch up from the normal desert riding in Penticton. Dryview
Apex Dh
Sep 10, 2022 @ 7:23pm
Sep 10, 2022
mtb It is Toast below Bronco Billy - I took one for the team and tried to find it. Recent Ski trail work has buried/abandoned it. Great trail above! Dryview
The Gauntlet
Sep 8, 2022 @ 11:47am
Sep 8, 2022
mtb Wicked trail, there’s a loose section in the alpine running like a double black, super fun. Kudos to Matt, Becky and the other trail fairies for the hard work Dryview
Bronco Billy
Sep 4, 2022 @ 11:08am
Sep 4, 2022
mtb Perfect conditions! Dryview
Apex Dh
Sep 4, 2022 @ 8:42am
Sep 4, 2022
mtb Perfect from the top to Bronco Billy, unknown beyond that. Dryview
Shingle Creek Midlands B
Aug 1, 2022 @ 9:16am
Aug 1, 2022
ebike Very Dryview
Moby Dick
Jul 16, 2022 @ 2:02am
Jul 16, 2022
mtb Dryview
Moby Dick
Jul 16, 2022 @ 2:02am
Jul 16, 2022
mtb Good and clea from entrance off GFT through to GFT exit. Dryview
Moby Dick
Jul 16, 2022 @ 2:02am
Jul 16, 2022
mtb Dryview
Moby Dick
Jul 14, 2022 @ 8:46am
Jul 14, 2022
mtb All clear up until Dirty Harry, haven’t checked further Dryview
Dirty Harry
Jul 14, 2022 @ 8:37am
Jul 14, 2022
mtb Three large trees down, easily spotted in advance, otherwise good to go! Those euro switch backs are hella tight, kudos if you can grease them all Dryview
West Apex Trail
Jul 12, 2022 @ 12:04am
Jul 12, 2022
mtb Nordic centre section is all a marsh, then dry afterwards. Not well marked, plan to have Trailforks out often, there is occasional flagging tape. 20+ downed large trees throughout entire loop, cleared what I could by hand. Still rideable and fun, just lots of navigating and hopping trees Variableview
West Apex Trail
Jul 11, 2022 @ 11:58pm
Jul 11, 2022
mtb Dryview
Scotch 1
Jul 11, 2022 @ 11:58pm
Jul 11, 2022
mtb Good to go, fast and flowy Dryview
Jodinge
Jul 11, 2022 @ 10:06pm
Jul 11, 2022
mtb Lower section has a few water bodies over trail that could use rock bridges, upper section has 15+ large down trees and a few sections of snow cover. Has potential to be a wicked DH run, definitely not an uptrack Variableview
The Gauntlet
Aug 18, 2021 @ 2:48pm
Aug 18, 2021
mtb Trail is running awesome! Thanks for all the hard work cleaning up! Got lost a few times but found the pink flagging tape that guides you along. Dryview
West Apex Trail
Aug 15, 2021 @ 9:08am
Aug 15, 2021
mtb Dryview
The Good, The Bad, And The Ugly
Aug 14, 2021 @ 3:40pm
Aug 14, 2021
mtb Large tree down across trail, blocking trail Dryview
Good, Bad, Ugly Connector
Jul 11, 2021 @ 5:08pm
Jul 11, 2021
mtb Dryview
Bronco Billy
Jul 11, 2021 @ 5:07pm
Jul 11, 2021
mtb Dryview
Bronco Billy
Jul 11, 2021 @ 5:07pm
Jul 11, 2021
mtb Dryview
Apex Dh
Jul 11, 2021 @ 5:06pm
Jul 11, 2021
mtb Dryview
Apex Dh
Jul 11, 2021 @ 5:05pm
Jul 11, 2021
mtb Trail is clea and ready to Rip!....July 11 2021! Dryview
Apex Dh
Jul 11, 2021 @ 5:05pm
Jul 11, 2021
mtb Trail is clea and ready to Rip!....July 11 2021! Dryview
The Gauntlet
Jul 10, 2021 @ 8:08pm
Jul 10, 2021
mtb All trees are cut out and Trai is ready Rip! Dryview
The Gauntlet
Jul 10, 2021 @ 8:04pm
Jul 10, 2021
mtb Just finished cleaning all Blow downs July 10th 2010 !....Good to go!!! Dryview
The Good, The Bad, And The Ugly
Mar 4, 2021 @ 10:46pm
Mar 4, 2021
mtb Skiiers everywhere! Snow Groomedview
Snowflake Loop
Jan 24, 2021 @ 9:01pm
Jan 24, 2021
snowshoe Snow Packedview
Moose Valley Loop w
Jan 24, 2021 @ 7:20pm
Jan 24, 2021
snowshoe Someone spent hours clearing the dead fall from the storm on the way into the hut just to find that a tree had fallen on it doing major damage. From the hut to the back end of the valley is riddled with wind falls. Logging on the backside has caused major changes in the trail but is still passible just really different Snow Packedview
Lake Connector trail w
Jan 17, 2021 @ 3:15pm
Jan 17, 2021
snowshoe Lots of use. Plenty off ice on the lake. Snow Packedview
Molly Lake Trail w
Jan 17, 2021 @ 3:12pm
Jan 17, 2021
snowshoe Lots of use. Easy to follow Snow Packedview
Burn Perimeter Trail w
Jan 17, 2021 @ 3:10pm
Jan 17, 2021
snowshoe Trees have been cleared from the wind storm or the trail goes around them easy enough. Snow Packedview
Okanagan Vista Loop
Jan 17, 2021 @ 3:07pm
Jan 17, 2021
snowshoe Trees from the wind storm have been cleared or the trail goes around them easy enough. Snow Packedview
Isolation Ridge Loop
Jan 3, 2021 @ 2:43pm
Jan 3, 2021
snowshoe Excellent shape and well used. Snow Packedview
Pat’s Hut loop
Jan 3, 2021 @ 2:42pm
Jan 3, 2021
snowshoe Excellent shape and someone has put up more flag tape so it is much easier to stay on track if the trail gets snowed in. See photo Stove Pipe hill is the steepest climb on the loop. Snow Packedview
Okanagan Vista Loop
Dec 31, 2020 @ 11:16am
Dec 31, 2020
mtb Fresh snow mosly packed Snow Coveredview
Snowflake
Dec 31, 2020 @ 11:16am
Dec 31, 2020
mtb Fresh snow mosly packed Variableview
Molly Lake Trail w
Dec 27, 2020 @ 2:27pm
Dec 27, 2020
snowshoe Good conditions well used Snow Packedview
Hidden Lake Trail w
Dec 27, 2020 @ 2:23pm
Dec 27, 2020
snowshoe Lots of ice thickness Snow Packedview
Pat’s Hut loop
Dec 20, 2020 @ 2:09pm
Dec 20, 2020
snowshoe Getting good use trail is set and in good shape Snow Packedview
Burn Perimeter Trail w
Dec 6, 2020 @ 4:20pm
Dec 6, 2020
snowshoe Good early season conditions not heavily used yet some of the deadfall was cleared last weekend. Snow Packedview
Snowflake Loop
Nov 29, 2020 @ 2:16pm
Nov 29, 2020
snowshoe Excellent shape heavily used. Snow Packedview
Lake Connector trail w
Nov 29, 2020 @ 2:15pm
Nov 29, 2020
snowshoe Little rough near the creek but otherwise good. The trail stays close to shore. Do not head out towards the middle of the lake yet there are many thin spots. Snow Packedview
Ok Vista Road
Nov 29, 2020 @ 2:11pm
Nov 29, 2020
snowshoe Few trees across the road no snowmobile have been on the road yet this year Snow Packedview
Sauna Vista Connector
Nov 28, 2020 @ 3:26pm
Nov 28, 2020
snowshoe Trail had not been set yet this year. I broke trail and it is in good shape. Snow Packedview
Perky Peaks Trail w
Nov 28, 2020 @ 3:23pm
Nov 28, 2020
snowshoe Broke trail it is in really good early season condition. Snow Packedview
Boulder Field Connector w
Nov 28, 2020 @ 3:21pm
Nov 28, 2020
snowshoe I broke trail and it is a little rough. Lack of a really deep snow pack forces one to stray off of the original trail a bit. Snow Coveredview
Okanagan Vista Loop
Nov 15, 2020 @ 2:56pm
Nov 15, 2020
snowshoe Excellent early season conditions. Snow Coveredview
Apex Dh
Oct 10, 2020 @ 6:41pm
Oct 10, 2020
mtb Not sure if I missed the trail but after the turnoff for bronco billy the trail was completely cover by trees/ debris. Once again I might not have been on the right track but I would turn off on bronco billy Variableview
Apex Dh
Aug 7, 2020 @ 1:13pm
Aug 7, 2020
mtb Trail is clear and fun. A little bit of mud toward the bottom. Someone has put work into keeping it clear. Variableview
Boulder Field Connector w
Mar 24, 2020 @ 5:35pm
Mar 24, 2020
snowshoe Snow Packedview
Valley of Bowls Cutoff Trail
Mar 15, 2020 @ 4:08pm
Mar 15, 2020
snowshoe Snow Coveredview
Perky Peaks Trail w
Mar 15, 2020 @ 4:08pm
Mar 15, 2020
snowshoe Snow Coveredview
Burn Perimeter Connector
Mar 15, 2020 @ 4:07pm
Mar 15, 2020
snowshoe Snow Packedview
Boulder Field Connector w
Mar 15, 2020 @ 4:06pm
Mar 15, 2020
snowshoe Snow Coveredview
Sauna Vista Connector
Mar 15, 2020 @ 4:05pm
Mar 15, 2020
snowshoe Snow Packedview
Okanagan Vista Loop
Mar 15, 2020 @ 4:05pm
Mar 15, 2020
snowshoe Snow Packedview
Isolation Ridge Loop
Mar 15, 2020 @ 4:04pm
Mar 15, 2020
snowshoe Snow Packedview
Pat’s Hut loop
Mar 15, 2020 @ 4:04pm
Mar 15, 2020
snowshoe Snow Packedview
Burn Perimeter Trail w
Mar 15, 2020 @ 4:03pm
Mar 15, 2020
snowshoe Snow Packedview
Burn Perimeter Trail w
Mar 9, 2020 @ 3:42pm
Mar 9, 2020
snowshoe Snow Packedview
Sauna Vista Connector
Mar 9, 2020 @ 3:42pm
Mar 9, 2020
snowshoe Snow Packedview
Okanagan Vista Loop
Mar 9, 2020 @ 3:41pm
Mar 9, 2020
snowshoe Snow Packedview
Isolation Ridge Loop
Mar 9, 2020 @ 3:40pm
Mar 9, 2020
snowshoe Snow Packedview
Pat’s Hut loop
Mar 9, 2020 @ 3:40pm
Mar 9, 2020
snowshoe Snow Packedview
Ok Vista Road
Dec 27, 2019 @ 12:08pm
Dec 27, 2019
mototrials Snow Packedview
Bronco Billy
Sep 7, 2019 @ 12:23pm
Sep 7, 2019
mtb Multiple deadfall, some trail washout, couple bridges are pretty beat up and unrideable. Variableview
Nickleplate Lake Trail
Aug 18, 2019 @ 10:03am
Aug 18, 2019
mtb Great shape Dryview
The Gauntlet
Aug 12, 2019 @ 8:57am
Aug 12, 2019
mtb Multiple downed trees
Trail begginning is hard to find. Its beggining has been absorbed my grandmother ski run. Now the start is found at the bottom of the rocky ski slope to the riders right.
Dryview
Ok Vista Road
Jun 16, 2019 @ 10:21am
Jun 16, 2019
mtb Some mud, but lots of fun Variableview
Shingle Creek Midlands B
May 26, 2019 @ 6:09pm
May 26, 2019
mtb This is not a mountain bike trail!
Rode Conkle today and went and checked it out after out of curiosity.
First of all it’s on First Nations land and is posted and secondly it’s an old overgrown 2 track, no trail.
Dryview
Jodinge
Aug 30, 2018 @ 1:16pm
Aug 30, 2018
mtb Overgrown vegetation
This trail could be great . Needs someone to go in with a chainsaw and cut out lots of blowdown on the top half of the trail . bottom half is good . Thanks to whoever put the flagging tap up helped me find the trail . reporter
Unknownview
Apex Dh
Aug 23, 2018 @ 4:31pm
Aug 23, 2018
mtb Lower portion of this trail is simply unrideable at this point, either covered in deadfall or too overgrown to make any bars fit through. Do billys instead. Dryview
Moby Dick
Aug 19, 2018 @ 5:59pm
Aug 19, 2018
mtb Good times. Much less smoky up here than in the valley Dryview
Snowflake
Jul 24, 2018 @ 12:51pm
Jul 24, 2018
mtb Swampy, lakes still high. Variableview
Prometheus
Jul 24, 2018 @ 12:51pm
Jul 24, 2018
mtb We cut some of the fallen kogs, need to go back with a better saw.
Variableview
Grandfathers
Jul 22, 2018 @ 10:39am
Jul 22, 2018
mtb Dryview
Moby Dick
Jul 22, 2018 @ 10:39am
Jul 22, 2018
mtb Dryview
Good, Bad, Ugly Connector
Jul 22, 2018 @ 10:39am
Jul 22, 2018
mtb Dryview
The Good, The Bad, And The Ugly
Jul 22, 2018 @ 10:39am
Jul 22, 2018
mtb Dryview
Good, Bad, Ugly Connector
Jun 25, 2018 @ 5:16pm
Jun 25, 2018
mtb Overall ready to ride. A point or two to pump over small branches but not much to slow you down. Variableview
The Good, The Bad, And The Ugly
Jun 25, 2018 @ 5:12pm
Jun 25, 2018
mtb There was 1 tiny patch of snow, its pretty much done now.
There are a number of trees down but not enough to stop you from doing the trail. There is one place in particular that has a couple trees down aboue 2/3 the way down. And by the bottom there is wet sections to be wary of.
Variableview
Moby Dick
Jun 25, 2018 @ 5:11pm
Jun 25, 2018
mtb A short wet part early and a broken feature near the end, easy to see. Running well overall Variableview
Good, Bad, Ugly Connector
Mar 31, 2018 @ 1:11am
Mar 31, 2018
mtb reporter Snow Coveredview
Jodinge
Mar 31, 2018 @ 1:11am
Mar 31, 2018
mtb reporter Snow Coveredview
Scotch 1
Mar 31, 2018 @ 1:11am
Mar 31, 2018
mtb reporter Snow Coveredview
Moby Dick
Mar 31, 2018 @ 1:11am
Mar 31, 2018
mtb reporter Snow Coveredview
Nickleplate Lake Trail
Mar 31, 2018 @ 1:11am
Mar 31, 2018
mtb reporter Snow Coveredview
Ok Vista Road
Mar 31, 2018 @ 1:11am
Mar 31, 2018
mtb reporter Snow Coveredview
Prometheus
Mar 31, 2018 @ 1:11am
Mar 31, 2018
mtb reporter Snow Coveredview
Shingle Creek Midlands A
Mar 31, 2018 @ 1:11am
Mar 31, 2018
mtb reporter Snow Coveredview
Shingle Creek Midlands B
Mar 31, 2018 @ 1:11am
Mar 31, 2018
mtb reporter Snow Coveredview
Snowflake
Mar 31, 2018 @ 1:11am
Mar 31, 2018
mtb reporter Snow Coveredview
The Gauntlet
Mar 31, 2018 @ 1:11am
Mar 31, 2018
mtb reporter Snow Coveredview
The Good, The Bad, And The Ugly
Mar 31, 2018 @ 1:11am
Mar 31, 2018
mtb reporter Snow Coveredview
Apex Dh
Mar 31, 2018 @ 1:11am
Mar 31, 2018
mtb reporter Snow Coveredview
Bronco Billy
Mar 31, 2018 @ 1:11am
Mar 31, 2018
mtb reporter Snow Coveredview
Dirty Harry
Mar 31, 2018 @ 1:11am
Mar 31, 2018
mtb reporter Snow Coveredview
Apex Dh
Sep 9, 2017 @ 7:32pm
Sep 9, 2017
mtb Cleared out several significant deadfall sections. Accidentally missed the turn off down to TBar, so that section is unconfirmed.
Cut out too many trees to count, by hand!
reporter
Dryview
Bronco Billy
Sep 9, 2017 @ 7:27pm
Sep 9, 2017
mtb Cleared trees and spider webs. 3 significant deadfall sections are now removed. There is 1 little greasy one but it has an up and over, down through the Dawdler's (winter mode) sections.
reporter
Dryview
The Gauntlet
Sep 9, 2017 @ 1:26pm
Sep 9, 2017
mtb Plethora of deadfall as well as the new ski traverse cut.
Need a trail fairy with a chainsaw to get it back. reporter
Dryview
Apex Dh
Sep 9, 2017 @ 9:29am
Sep 9, 2017
mtb Three trees down but still fun reporter Unknownview
Moby Dick
Aug 28, 2017 @ 11:11am
Aug 28, 2017
mtb Third feature is broken. reporter Dryview
The Good, The Bad, And The Ugly
Aug 28, 2017 @ 11:11am
Aug 28, 2017
mtb reporter Dryview
The Good, The Bad, And The Ugly
Aug 5, 2017 @ 2:56pm
Aug 5, 2017
mtb Gone dry up there. Still lo getting smoke. Very Dryview
The Gauntlet
Aug 3, 2017 @ 2:55pm
Aug 3, 2017
mtb Gauntlet starts at the top of Apex mountain and goes off of the south side or the "wild side"
The new ski trail cut in on this side has cut access off to the trail about 1/4 of th way down. In addition the entrance is tricky to find but is just off to the left about 200 feet down on your left of the new ski run that has been cut in
Very Dryview
Scotch 1
Jul 30, 2017 @ 9:32pm
Jul 30, 2017
mtb Trail is clear and fun but sandy and dusty in the lower 200 m. Very Dryview
The Good, The Bad, And The Ugly
Jul 22, 2017 @ 1:22pm
Jul 22, 2017
mtb Trail is great. One tree down across the trail in the lower section. Dryview
Nickleplate Lake Trail
Aug 7, 2016 @ 5:49pm
Aug 7, 2016
mtb The wet spots are still wet as always, just jank your way across the rocks. Variableview
Apex Dh
Oct 30, 2014 @ 7:13am
Oct 30, 2014
mtb Trail has not been maintained and is over grown Unknownview

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